Rory Miller, Marc MacYoung:
The Thug Whisperers
 
 

 Force is a form of communication. It 
 is the most emphatic possible way of
 saying “no”. For years my job was to
 say no, sometimes very emphatically,
 to violent people.            --  RM

Rory Miller Chiron Training
When it comes to de-escalation, not too many people can say they single handedly prevented a shoot out. Much less stop it through bodylanguage only, because they don't speak the language.

Rory Miller can.

That's what Rory did in the intake area of Rusafa prison in Iraq. In an enclosed area with over 80 armed Iraqis from different factions and tribes and everyone armed with pistols and automatic weapons, a fight is the last thing you want to happen. That's why Rory was so concerned when  two armed individuals got into a screaming argument. When their hands went to their weapons, Rory knew the situation was about to go bad. Real bad and real quick.

Using only body language and positioning, Rory separated the two combatants and got them out of the area before anyone -- and that included the other people in the room -- opened fire. Rory had to do it by himself because the other American trainers were stuck between the immediate danger, the rules of engagement and being wildly out numbered.

Rory's explanation?

"I was more afraid of what would happen if I didn't act than what would happen if I did."

Rory Miller is a veteran of a metropolitan correctional system. He spent seventeen years, including ten as a sergeant, with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office in Portland Oregon. His assignments included Booking, Maximum Security, Disciplinary and Administrative Segregation, and Mental Health Units. He was a CERT (Corrections Emergency Response Team) member for over eleven years and Team Leader for six.

His training has included over eight hundred hours of tactical training; witness protection and close-quarters handgun training with the local US Marshals; Incident Command System; Instructor Development Courses; AELE Discipline and Internal Investigations; Hostage Negotiations and Hostage Survival; Integrated Use of Force and Confrontational Simulation Instructor; Mental Health; Defensive Tactics, including the GRAPLE instructors program; Diversity; and Supervision.

Rory has designed and taught courses including Confrontational Simulations; Uncontrolled Environments; Crisis Communications with the Mentally Ill; CERT Operations and Planning; Defensive Tactics; and Use of Force for Multnomah County and other local agencies.

In 2008 Rory Miller left his agency to spend over a year in Iraq with the Department of Justice ICITAP program as a civilian advisor to the Iraqi Corrections System.

He has a Bachelor’s degree in Psychology, a blackbelt in jujutsu and college varsities in judo and fencing. He also likes long walks on the beach.

Rory is the author of Meditations on Violence: A Comparison of Martial Arts Training and Real World Violence published by YMAA. His next book The Book of Seven Rings: The Critical Elements of Self-Defense
is in press. His writings have been featured in Loren Christensen’s Fighter’s Fact Book 2: The Street Kane and Wilder’s Little Black Book of Violence” and “The Way to Blackbelt.

 I am amazed at the human ability
to confuse the worst they have
experienced with the worst that
could happen              -- RM

 

 

 

 

Rory Miller's Curriculum Vitae

 

When I heard the shot, I knew
 someone was pissed. When I
 heard the bullet whip past, I
 knew they were pissed at
 me.                        -- MM

Marc MacYoung
 No Nonsense Self-Defense
While in Germany to teach de-escalation to the Rhineland Police, someone noticed Marc MacYoung's habit of looking both ways when passing through a doorway. He was asked why.

"Because of the time a burglar tried to put an ax in my skull,"  Marc calmly answered.

"You're joking?" his host asked incredulously.

"No. I'd come home for lunch. The burglar was still upstairs in the house. I walked through a door, he swung the ax, I jumped away and pulled my weapon. So there we were, both armed and looking at each other trying to figure out what to do next."

"What happened?"

"I talked him out of the house and let him go." Marc answered. "Nobody died. It was a win/win situation."

That incident happened before Marc started working in professions where he regularly had to talk violent people down.

MacYoung was raised in situational poverty. He grew up on the gang infested streets of Los Angeles. This gave him extensive first-hand experience with crime, violence and the people who commit them. He freely admits, "When I was younger, I was part of the reason why LA was so dangerous." Turning his life around with the help of his retired FBI step-father, Marc embarked on a career of protecting people from criminals and predators.

He's worked as a bodyguard, bouncer, event security and director of a correctional institute. Although proficient with use of force, he quickly realized that de-escalation saved him from having to do paperwork.

In 1989, prompted by, he says, 'being tired of repeating myself,' he started writing a booklet to give to people wanting to learn self-defense. That became his first book on street survival. He's since had 21 books and videos published on surviving in high risk situations, crime avoidance, pre-attack indicators, street knife use, street culture and a wide variety subjects related to conflict. (Some of the titles to the right)

Marc developed the internationally recognized Five Stages of Violent Crime program that is a standard of threat identification and articulating immediate danger. The Five Stages is taught in use of force classes and concealed carry courses throughout the US. He's a member of the International Police Defensive Tactics Association and taught police de-escalation and defensive tactics in four different countries, including Germany, Poland and Sweden.

He is also a court recognized expert witness on cases involving violence.

Marc currently resides in Colorado with his wife and is celebrating his 14th year of not having been shot at.

 It ended well. Nobody
 died or went to the
 hospital       --MM

 

 

Marc MacYoung's Curriculum Vitae

 

Rory Miller and Marc MacYoung, don't always agree. For example, when it comes to why two so-called experts on de-escalation have so much experience with physical violence. Rory responds with, "Good judgment comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgment." Marc replies with, "Because we were the guys who got called in when someone else had pissed off a violent person."

Both perspectives are true. Marc and Rory have many years of being very successful at talking down violent, sometimes psychotic people on the streets and in the jails. What is also true is while violence did occur, there were many more times where the situation was de-escalated. That is where the term 'Thug Whisperers' came from.

After many years of doing this they realized the basic dynamics of conflict remain the same, whether you are dealing with a family member, a co-worker, a boss or a gang member. As Rory observed, "We're writing a poker manual. The game may change, the stakes are different, but the fundamental rules are the same."

Both Miller and MacYoung are observers of human behavior. They had to be, their lives depended on it. Having seen conflict and violence in the extremes, they recognize the same patterns and behaviors at a lower level of conflict.

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